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Nick Raine-Fenning · Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 10:10 pm Post subject: Training numbers

The RCOG have announced the number of training numbers available for O&G training for England which is as follows:

The ST1 = 204

ST2 = 189

ST3 = 261

FTSA1 = 67

FTSA2 = 79

The RCOG say ...

rpwalavalkar · Teale Fenning Administrator Joined: 20 Jul 2006 Posts: 966

hi nick,

have been wanting to voice my concerns about the new college agenda of reshaping o&g structure.

the way i see things, very soon we will be told what to study, how long to study for, what not to study - even if you really want to study it ........ even the amount one will be allowed to work will have a sealing to it. not all will get on the specialist register even though they have a cct. hence possibly one will also have to make an early decision about nhs / private, i don't see the system allowing both or an easy change over from one to other.

we want more trainees to join o & g, will one want to enter a field where one already knows that they may not be allowed to do what they really really want..... i.e. foetal medicine instead of labour ward or gyn operating vs community gyn / emergency gyn ...............

what i'm trying to say is that i object to the restructuring of the system so that you also direct peoples choices ...... by giving them limited choices to start with.

i worry about the atsm's having points to them, and cct needing a final cutoff point to reach on atsm's. if all the modules are equally weighted you do not take away 'choice', but with the obstetric ones having a higher score means that people will have to take obst to make the required points, or they may have to train in the system longer to get the said points thru gyn modules, again this the system may not allow, as by their own admission the college are trying to increase consultant numbers quickly, this in my mind is limiting peoples choices.

this has started to feel like the premordial form of 'system controlled society' like we so oftens see in sci fi films. you do what the system needs at the time not what you want.

for the lack of better words i'm going to call this ' White Collared Communism'............

Mad

raj

p.s--- i know i've been too hard on the college policy but the lack of freedom of choice, in today's democratic world just gets to me.
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Nick Raine-Fenning · Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 4:46 pm Post subject:

Nicely put .. I am sure lots of trainees agree with you.

I am very confused by the whole thing. Ultimately whilst training and recruitment are essential we have to address and answer the governments and the patients call for safer care and the primary target, at present, is labour ward and obstetrics. I guess it is a business at the end of the day and at least this way they give you a good and fair idea of the job market. It is essential after all that you get a job at the end of the training period.

Things will develop and change. I cannot see labour ward being displaced from the top slot but we will see other acute services developing especially early pregnancy which I keep recommending as a career choice for gynaecologists.

Other than that if you want to secure a good job in a gyane sub-speciality you still need to do a higher degree and then sub-spec training. I guess nothing has changed for that group therefore as extra work was always required.

The key change is a quicker period of training for the generalist who will fit into the service needs of the NHS and local PCTs. Not my idea of a good job but things are always modifiable when in post. If you want something else you have to be in the right place at the right time or bulk up your CV Wink

I think an academic career / pathway is very exciting and a good choice considering the above.

N
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