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Nick Raine-Fenning Course Director
Joined: 27 May 2006 Posts: 1854 Location: Nottingham
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Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 11:04 am Post subject: Pre-pregnancy Counselling: Previous Stillbirth |
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Having spent some time thinking about the Essay Questions in September 2006 I thought I would post a few questions that I think may come up next time. I am sure you would all appreciate a bit of 'hot topic' spotting
I am almost certain that you will be asked a similar question to the severe pre-eclampsia one in one form or another. The idea of pre-pregnancy counselling for a high risk patient is ideal for a question as it tests lots of different apsects of obstetric care.
Have a go at this one ...
You are asked to see a 29-year old woman who is considering becoming pregnant again. She suffered a stillbirth at term in her last pregnancy following an episode of decreased fetal movements. She is fit and well and the post-mortem was normal. She is worried about this happening again.
What would you tell her about the risk of recurrence?(4 marks)
What would you want to know from her past obstetric history and how would this affect your management specifically? (8 marks)
Describe your management plan for her next pregnancy (8 marks)
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mridulaben Century Club
Joined: 08 Nov 2006 Posts: 137 Location: Brunei
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Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 11:00 am Post subject: |
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Any CLUES to get me started
Recurrence dependant on cause but do we have any quoted figures
Previos obstetric would focus on her AN course last pregnancy, family history of genetic or metabolic disorders, social history of any illicit drugs, medical disorders & infections, & go through the exhausting list of investigations on mother, fetus & placenta. Also confirm gest. age. Wt of baby, her blood grp. If no cause most likely placental insufficiency. Healthy life style advice as folic acid, stop smoking & alcohol. Optimise her BMI if too low or too high. Check rubella status
Management in this pregnancy with early GTT, consultant booking, reassurance that second SB if no cause is very rare, monitoring for IUGR in third trimester as In unexplained SB Small babies more common( 14th vol. Studd says 20%, one of the mcq book says as high as 50%??). Doppler for umblical artery notching at 22 weeks.
Have to add a lot after your advice.
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Nick Raine-Fenning Course Director
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Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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Pretty good answer to be honest although you need to compartmentalise your answer more and address exactly what you have been asked.
The second stem asks you to link her antenatal history to specific things that affect your management.
You need to discuss timing and mode of delivery in part 3. |
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mridulaben Century Club
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Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 10:40 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the encouragement, am confused about the reccurance still.
OH!! forgot about delivery in current pregnancy  |
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Nick Raine-Fenning Course Director
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Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 11:05 am Post subject: |
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| mridulaben wrote: | | am confused about the reccurance still. |
The PM was normal so we have excluded a karyotypic and / or structural anomaly. These are the causes that are most likely to be recurrent. The vast majority of other causes that may recur will relate to maternal health therefore. These should all be detectable either as they will be evident clinically (IDDM, obesity) or biochemically (antibodies, cholestasis, APAS) and almost all will be treatable. Other causes such as infection do not recur. The chance of recurrence should be low therefore but there remains an increased risk regardless of cause and if it was unexplained. It is important to tell the couple (not just mother) that any subsequent pregnancy is unlikely to result in stillbirth (>95% are OK) but there is a slight increased risk (5-10 fold increase from 1 in 200 to 1 in 20-40 i.e. 0.5% to 2.5-5%) and so you will be monitoring them and the baby very closely at regular intervals. |
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mridulaben Century Club
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Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 1:22 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the reply
Where can we see those figures for reccurance? Cuurrent Obst. & gynae. jounal, aug/ ? sept 2006 mentions about IUFD in detail including causes, labour & FU. |
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Nick Raine-Fenning Course Director
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Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Not sure where I got them from as they are in my database but probably from CESDI and associated reports. They are accurate. |
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bronwyn Century Club
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Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Any pregnancy after a stillbirth is considered a significant high risk event. Recent studies suggest a 5 to 10 fold higher risk of recurrent stillbirth in a subsequent pregnancy |
Blackwell S, et al. Adverse perinatal outcomes in subsequent pregnancies in women with prior stillbirth. Am J Obstet Gynecol Suppl 2005 ; 193:S106 Abstract 350 _________________ Bronwyn Bell
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Nick Raine-Fenning Course Director
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Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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nice one Bronwyn and the baseline is 1 in 200 or 0 so my figures are correct 5%
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mridulaben Century Club
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Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 6:55 am Post subject: |
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| Thanks to both of you. |
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