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rpwalavalkar · Teale Fenning Administrator Joined: 20 Jul 2006 Posts: 966

the RCOG runs an International Training Fellowship Scheme

details are available on link ---

http://www.rcog.org.uk/index.asp?PageID=1936

raj
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cpeedahsa · Century Club Joined: 21 Apr 2007 Posts: 921

rpwalavalkar · Teale Fenning Administrator Joined: 20 Jul 2006 Posts: 966

cpeed,

for your info, the scheme is still valid, people who get in will get into the system as STFTA for 1 or 2 yrs as need be. the gmc registration will be sorted out by the college by supporting plab exemption and visa will be sorted out by respective trusts or candidates will be asked to apply thru the hsmp.

there has as yet not been any talk about changing / cancelling this scheme. though it is good advice to directly correspond with the college and this will anyway automatically happen as candidates are applying for a scheme of the college. the scheme stands unless otherwise changed by the college. if fact if you plan to leave the US you should give it a try. Laughing

the aim of our forum is to make info available for O & G candidates under one banner and nick's vision is to make this a one - stop O&G reference place.

r
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cpeedahsa · Century Club Joined: 21 Apr 2007 Posts: 921

The concern about the validity of this scheme which is on paper only stems from the undeniable fact that good number of doctors already working in the NHS, with MRCOG part1 and/or part2 and have not been able to procure ST1 ... ST2... or even FTST appointments.

And yes, meanwhile the HSMP has undergone many changes(also increasingly expensive) and is still undergoing major changes with respect to the criteria for HSMP points, even as we talk-- worthwhile watching for these changes too before embarking upon this.

The RCOG, GMC, Trusts and Home office have never been well known in working together. And VISA is totally the responsibility of the candidate.

Many of my friends in India who fitted these criteria have spent a lot of time and money trying this option and have been totally unsuccessful.

cpeed

cpeedahsa · Century Club Joined: 21 Apr 2007 Posts: 921

Unfortunately for the candidates, the Trusts will not have anything to do with sorting out the VISA. As mentioned earlier it would totally be the responsibility of the candidate to sort out the VISA which would most likely be the HSMP. (The RCOG does not bother to mention anything about the current VISA regulations for this fellowship {that is if the RCOG is able to procure any such posts for overseas trainees given the current MTAS fiasco and chaos}).

It is also a good idea for applicants to keep an eye on the Home Office Website for all the VISA regulations.

cpeed

cpeedahsa · Century Club Joined: 21 Apr 2007 Posts: 921

Nick Raine-Fenning · Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 12:06 pm Post subject:

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EMAK · Century Club Joined: 26 Nov 2006 Posts: 572

Sorry to inform you that ODTFS have been stopped for now...
but DSS still running...

rpwalavalkar · Teale Fenning Administrator Joined: 20 Jul 2006 Posts: 966

cepeed,

options are available, seemingly impossible as they may be. it is upto each individual if they want to persue that option or not. thanks for adding your take on the situation. i too have friends in similar position to yours, but also have friends who have made it.
the trusts don't solve the visa problem but the work permit option, hard as it is, is possible only thru an application thru the trust, both the candidate and the trust have forms to be submitted to the home office to that effect.
things are closed at registrar entry level training, but more qualified people can still come in in the so called non - training jobs and possibly for consultant jobs. i know this is possible, as i know someone who should, fingers crossed, get in thru this way.
the dire state of affairs due to mtas and visa changes is no secret, but, finally it is about individual choice.

emak,

thanks for the update. i myself just today heard about the ODTFS.

r
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cpeedahsa · Century Club Joined: 21 Apr 2007 Posts: 921

cpeedahsa · Century Club Joined: 21 Apr 2007 Posts: 921

cpeedahsa · Century Club Joined: 21 Apr 2007 Posts: 921

cpeedahsa · Century Club Joined: 21 Apr 2007 Posts: 921

With the DSS and/or the OTFS --essentially, what the College says it is looking for is a two-year training programme for an overseas doctor in the UK. After two years the doctor would return home. And this program would be at year1 and year2 level for someone who already has three years experience in OBGyn and part1. And therefore would technically not be higher training. It is definitely the choice of the individual to apply for these posts-- ofcourse--that is when these OTFS posts exist.

What the RCOG website fails to mention is that there are currently no such pre-designated posts for overseas doctors that the the RCOG has procured. (The RCOG is still planning to procure; and as to how it will procure these jobs from the Deaneries with the current regulations --it does not have a clue)

I know people have managed to continue training after entering through the DSS-- but that has all been in the past.

rpwalavalkar · Teale Fenning Administrator Joined: 20 Jul 2006 Posts: 966

the current situation is like a sand storm, once the sand settles roads will become clear. nothing is fixed either way yet.

as for entry into otfs, the college has not decided on any year numbers, i know some one who did get in as a year 4-5. when the ofts does become operational, candidates will be taken in to which ever year that there is a requirement for. there are too many fresh local grads so, fresh overseas have no chance. if the new system does get implemented there will not be enough experienced registrar level people available to shoulder the burden on a day to day basis.

the ofts was always meant to be a fixed term situation, people did manage to get numbered posts when these were suddenly increased, but quite a few that i know went back, after the 2 years were up. hence anyone who thinks of / thought of applying thru this route if it were to restart, will need to make a choice knowing that the posting will be for a limited time only, and not everyone comes with a plan to stay here for ever, some are happy to gain some experience and go back, or indeed move on.

also, inaccuracy on the rcog web site, is something that each individual will need to address with the rcog, animated discussions on the forum are in no way 'sacrosanct' or indeed ' a final verdict'. hence, the need for 'informed choice' and at present the rcog should ... these are still early days, it is difficult to see the nhs surviving with out external support, there simply aren't enough local graduates to start with, and even fewer who wil actually go for a hospital job and that too in obstetrics and gynaecology. the increase in jobless candidates were in lieu with increased number of med school seats and increased number of overseas graduates.. the supply was provided before the demands were made. once the EU regulations have been strictly applied there is going to be a need for working hands and not all trusts will be happy with their full non-consultant population being on rotation/temporary. i either see return of the old system under a different guise or still better privatisation.

consultant jobs in this country have always scarce. when one speaks to senior consultants, one realises that even with old school training, some people remained 'very tursted senior registrars' all their life, these very grades will now be called woman's health specialists or junior consultants or any other such name that the doh deems fit. so, in that respect things have not changed atall.

well, i guess my trust in the 'light at the end of the tunnel' is still intact. and it's not a question of increasing hopefuls, till things settle, i think it's too early to call it a lost cause.

Wink

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cpeedahsa · Century Club Joined: 21 Apr 2007 Posts: 921

I totally agree it is always good to be optimistic,

However the reality as of now is-

*The situation definitely is a sandstorm-- Nobody knows when it is going to settle down. And nobody knows if things will change favourably for IMGs once it settles down.

*The OTFS currently does not exist. Nobody knows when it is going be start.

*When will the VISA regulations be relaxed, Will they be relaxed at all-- Nobody knows. Given the current trend-- it only looks like it is going to get more and more tedious. With the current regulations -- it is next to impossible to get into the system for most.

Ofcourse when (and if) the situation changes favourably-- plans can be made. And again- Nobody knows when they will change, if at all.

Wink

IMG

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rpwalavalkar · Teale Fenning Administrator Joined: 20 Jul 2006 Posts: 966

lets wait and see how things pan out cpeed, in the mean time best of luck with studing for the exam.

cheers
r
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cpeedahsa · Century Club Joined: 21 Apr 2007 Posts: 921

Thanks Raj for the wishes-- planning it sometime next year depending on my schedule!
Very Happy

cpeedahsa · Century Club Joined: 21 Apr 2007 Posts: 921

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