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EMAK
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 10:52 pm    Post subject: face to pubis??? Reply with quote

Does persistant Occipito posterior position ===is ---- same as face to pubis???

I think Ya also.
any Oth.Op.Pls Wink
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kenneth



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 2:06 am    Post subject: face to pubis Reply with quote

YES

......Possible outcomes in OP position include-

1. Persistent OP as above

2. Deep transverse Arrest

3. Rotate to OA position

4. Of course can be manually rotated

5 Deliver by ventouse
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EMAK
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 8:26 am    Post subject: Re: face to pubis Reply with quote

I can add the following percentages:

kenneth wrote:
YES

......Possible outcomes in OP position include-

1. Persistent OP as above 10-15%

2. Deep transverse Arrest...15%

3. Rotate to OA position ...65%

4. Of course can be manually rotated

5 Deliver by ventouse


but still my query ://less than 10% will deliver spontanously face to pupis....T/F... because the no 10 is border line...
can any one help..
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 8:47 am    Post subject: face to pubis Reply with quote

I thought that Persistent Occipitoposterior can be ROP, LOP, and direct OP. Isn't direct OP the same as Face to pubis?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This mean that Persistent Occipitoposterior (10-15%)=ROP, LOP, and direct OP and only direct OP will deliver face to pubis...this make the sentence to be right or True that less than 10 % deliver face to pubis...

thanks...mridulaben..sharing information can lead to the correct answer. Smile
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Nick Raine-Fenning
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I understand this thread correctly I would add that face to pubis / pubes (as the majority of midwives call it) refers to OP position but as defined by abdominal appearances and examination and may describe ROP, LOP, and direct OP therefore.

Not sure about the figure but certainly less than than 10% of persistent OPs (regardless of being LOP, ROP, or DOP) deliver spontaneously. Think about your clinical experience when you get asked such questions.
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