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Nick Raine-Fenning
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I could say the fact I had to correct it made me forget to underline it but that would be a big lie! Very Happy

Lethargy is such a non-specific complaint I did not realise the significance in all honesty.

Your question is a very good one but a little too obvious here with this list of options. However, it would be a tough one in a pregnancy question!
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Question 5

You are asked to review the results of a patient in the absence of your consultant. The results are as follows:

FSH 35 IU/L
LH 23 IU/L
Oestradiol 12,458 pmol/L

What is the likely diagnosis?


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Question 6

A 34-year woman is referred by her GP with secondary amenorrhoea. Examination is unremarkable but her test results show a raised prolactin (750 U/L) and testosterone (3.0 nmol/L).


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nick Raine-Fenning wrote:
- it does not really matter when it was taken as 'all other tests are normal' - what else could it be??


Agree with you--Ovulation! ( I guess I was trying to be a bit cranky maybe Very Happy )
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Question 7

You are referred a 15-year old girl as she has not started to menstruate and her parents are concerned. She has absent secondary sexual characteristics.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Question 5, I would go for pituitary adenoma. It could also be acromegaly but not sure if Growth Hormone can stimulate gonadotrophins that much. Also exogenous GnRH stimulation? Craniopharyngioma can also cause similar picture with premature puberty. How old is the patient? I think I need more information
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Question 8

You are referred a 15-year old girl as she has not started to menstruate. Her parents, who are concerned, attribute this to her weight which is low at 45 kg. She is of normal height and has some breast development. Examination of her external genitalia reveals pubic hair and clitoromegaly. Abdominal ultrasound is normal.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wolverine wrote:
Question 5, I would go for pituitary adenoma. It could also be acromegaly but not sure if Growth Hormone can stimulate gonadotrophins that much. Also exogenous GnRH stimulation? Craniopharyngioma can also cause similar picture with premature puberty. How old is the patient? I think I need more information


You always need more information but that is all I am giving you!! Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wolverine wrote:
Question 4 FSH 0.5, LH 0.8, PRL 900 IU/l, Oestradiol 1850 nmol/l, Testosterone 2.7, progesterone 96.


Raised prolactin / oestradiol
Low FSH / LH
Rest normal

Question You leave me with ...

I Acromegaly
N Pituitary adenoma
R Hyperprolactinaemia
S Mixed pituitary adenoma
T Craniopharyngioma

However, Testosterone is upper limit of normal and with a low SHBG this could be 'biochemical hyperandrogenaemia' and PCOS although the Prolactin is too high for this. However, it is also too low for a pituitary adenoma. Rolling Eyes

Which all makes me want to go for T Craniopharyngioma.

I am not sure how the FSH and LH can be low with a high oestradiol unless there is a peripheral source of oestradiol and then we have the prolactin to deal with??? I am lost.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Question 9

You are asked to see a 21-year old with secondary amenorrhoea. Her FSH and LH are low and she has an abdominal mass.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Question 10

A 32-year old woman with irregular periods wants to conceive. She has acne and some facial hair but normal serum androgen levels and SHBG. A TV ultrasound scan shows normal ovaries. Her day 3 FSH is 8.0 IU/L and her LH 4.2 IU/L.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Question 11

A 25-yar old woman is referred to the infertility clinic with secondary amenorrhoea. She complains of galactorrhoea and her prolactin is 850 IU/L. Her husband comments that her appearance has recently changed. She has had tingling in her fingers that did not improve when she had her rings cut off.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Question 12

You are referred an anxious 15-year old with delayed puberty and anosmia. Her FSH level is 2.1 IU/L and her LH 0.8 IU/L.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nick Raine-Fenning wrote:
No longer true - LH has no role in the modern (i.e. post-Rotterdam consensus) diagnosis of PCO or in prediction of outcome or response to treatment.


Nick -- Totally agree with you about the Rotterdam Criteria.

In the revised criteria, two out of three of the following are required to make the diagnosis:

1. Oligo- and/or anovulation

2. Clinical and/or biochemical signs of hyperandrogenism

3. Polycystic ovaries (by ultrasound)

In addition, other etiologies (congenital adrenal hyperplasias, androgen-secreting tumors, Cushing's syndrome) must be excluded.

What I meant is a raised LH /FSH ratio is only one among the manyindicator or a clue. Definitely not a criteria used for diagnosis and LH, FSH need not be measured for making a diagnosis.
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In addition, other etiologies (congenital adrenal hyperplasias, androgen-secreting tumors, Cushing's syndrome) must be excluded.


This is another very important point that people often miss.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nick Raine-Fenning wrote:
Question 10

A 32-year old woman with irregular periods wants to conceive. She has acne and some facial hair but normal serum androgen levels and SHBG. A TV ultrasound scan shows normal ovaries. Her day 3 FSH is 8.0 IU/L and her LH 4.2 IU/L.



I would go for PCOS--she has 2 criteria

Rotterdam Criteria.
In the revised criteria, two out of three of the following are required to make the diagnosis:
Oligo- and/or anovulation
Clinical and/or biochemical signs of hyperandrogenism
Polycystic ovaries (by ultrasound)
In addition, other etiologies (congenital adrenal hyperplasias, androgen-secreting tumors, Cushing's syndrome) must be excluded.
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Question 13

You are asked to see a 34-year old woman who has not resumed menstruation following the birth of her daughter 8 months earlier. After an uneventful delivery she breast fed for 5 months but did suffer with post-natal depression which required admission to the mother and baby unit.
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Question 14

You are asked to see a woman with secondary amenorrhoea and to review the results of the tests undertaken the previous month. Unfortunately her dog at the envelope with your letter in that outlined the findings! What uis the likely diagnosis.

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Question 15

Having recovered from the shock of the news you gave the lady in question 14 she then has to face another dilemma. Her youngest daughter has suddenly developed acne and facial hair. Examination reveals frontal balding. The mother is surprised as this did not happen with her other two children.
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Nick Raine-Fenning wrote:
Question 11

A 25-yar old woman is referred to the infertility clinic with secondary amenorrhoea. She complains of galactorrhoea and her prolactin is 850 IU/L. Her husband comments that her appearance has recently changed. She has had tingling in her fingers that did not improve when she had her rings cut off.


Mixed Pituitary adenoma


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