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bluesky



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 4:11 pm    Post subject: Bacterial vaginosis Reply with quote

Bacterial vaginosis can be diagnosed on culture of high vaginal swab
Bacterial vaginosis can be successfully treated by single dose oral metronidazole.
Bacterial vaginosis is only seen in women who are sexually active
Bacterial vaginosis has a recognized association with smoking.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

F......alse Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would say
1. true
2. true
3. false
4. true (its more common in smokers)
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Give us some references then.

I'll have a go at explaining myself:

bluesky wrote:
Bacterial vaginosis can be diagnosed on culture of high vaginal swab.


My doubts relate to the word / phrase "on culture of a high vaginal swab":

Amsel's diagnostic criteria (Amsel R,. et al. Nonspecific vaginitis. Diagnostic criteria and microbial and epidemiologic associations. Am J Med. 1983 Jan;74(1):14-22) require more than a simple HVS result which actually does not constitute any of the 4 criteria:

1. A homogeneous vaginal discharge (usally grey)
2. Positive whiff test (a fishy odour produced when KOH is added to the vaginal secretions due to the release of specific amines - cadaverine and putrescene - don't you just love the names these scientists come up with! - Smile )
3. Clue cells on microscopy
4. Vaginal pH > 4.5

You need 3 / 4 for the diagnosis.

The alternative is to use the Hay/Ison or Nugent criteria but these require the assessment of a Gram stained vaginal smear

The Hay/Ison (Hay et al., 1994) criteria are:

Grade 1 (Normal): Lactobacillus morphotypes predominate.
Grade 2 (Intermediate): Mixed flora with some Lactobacilli present, but Gardnerella or Mobiluncus morphotypes also present.
Grade 3 (Bacterial Vaginosis): Predominantly Gardnerella and/or Mobiluncus morphotypes. Few or absent Lactobacilli.

Neither relate to the culture of a HVS

So I say fffffff.........alse Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 6:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Bacterial vaginosis Reply with quote

bluesky wrote:
Bacterial vaginosis can be successfully treated by single dose oral metronidazole.


Doesn't it need more (i.e. a course) if treated orally and with metronidazole - not sure if a single vaginal treatment with clindamycin is sufficient however. I may be wrong so please look up and get back to us.


bluesky wrote:
Bacterial vaginosis is only seen in women who are sexually active.


Only = false in most / many cases plus we know BV is no sexually transmitted although is seen more frequently in sexually active women and is associated withan increased incidence of STIs I think???


bluesky wrote:
Bacterial vaginosis has a recognized association with smoking.


We normally advise smoking = true but I am not sure on this occasion. I think not.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 5:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hello Nick and bluesky,

I would go for,

1. true
2. true
3. false
4. false

reference is from current obs and gynae 2006 (currently known as obstetrics and gynaecology and reproductive medicine)
it says,

"it is important to note that isolation of Gardnerella vaginalis on a HVS is a poor test for BV as upto 55% of women can be asymptomatic carriers of this"

what i understood from this is that it can be diagnosed on HVS but it is a poor test.

Recommended treatment regimens for BV:
Metronidazole 400mg PO twice daily for 5-7 days
or
Metronidazole 2g PO as a single dose.

Risk factors associated with BV:
Younger age
black ethinicity
vaginal douching
use of intrauterine device.

it doesnot mention smoking and since the question says recognised association so i would go for false.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Nick
u forced me to open some books
I knew about Amsels Criteria but the fact is that we find BV on High vaginal swab results very often in hospital

2. it can be treated by 2 G Metronidazole oral dose

3. false, can be seen in women who are not sexually active

4. true (Obs & Gynae by David Luesley and Baker ) common in blacks, in IUCD users and smokers
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 2:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Bacterial vaginosis Reply with quote

bluesky wrote:
Bacterial vaginosis can be diagnosed on culture of high vaginal swab


False

It will often be misdiagnosed if we were to use culture of HVS as upto 55% of women can be asymptomatic carriers of this. So it should not/cannot be used for diagnosis of BV


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 3:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Bacterial vaginosis Reply with quote

bluesky wrote:
Bacterial vaginosis can be successfully treated by single dose oral metronidazole.


True

It can be used to successfully treat ((NOT if pregnant/breastfeeding)
Ref: Clinical Effectiveness Group, British Association for Sexual Health and HIV (BASHH). National guideline for the management of bacterial vaginosis. London (UK): British Association for Sexual Health and HIV (BASHH)


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 3:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Bacterial vaginosis Reply with quote

bluesky wrote:
Bacterial vaginosis can be successfully treated by single dose oral metronidazole.

True
These are the recommended regimens for BV as per Clinical Effectiveness Group, British Association for Sexual Health and HIV (BASHH). National guideline for the management of bacterial vaginosis. London (UK): British Association for Sexual Health and HIV (BASHH)

Metronidazole 400-500 mg twice daily for 5-7 days (A)
or
Metronidazole 2 g single dose (A)
Alternative Regimens

Intravaginal metronidazole gel (0.75%) once daily for 5 days (A)
or
Intravaginal clindamycin cream (2%) once daily for 7 days (A)
or
Clindamycin 300 mg twice daily for 7 days (A)
or
Tinidazole 2 g single dose (A)

http://cks.library.nhs.uk/bacterial_vaginosis/management/quick_answers/scenario_bacterial_vaginosis/prescriptions/oral_metronidazole


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 3:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Bacterial vaginosis Reply with quote

[quote="bluesky"]
Bacterial vaginosis is only seen in women who are sexually active
quote]

Obviously False
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 3:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Bacterial vaginosis Reply with quote

bluesky wrote:

Bacterial vaginosis has a recognized association with smoking.


True

It has been associated with racial origin, smoking, sexual activity, and vaginal douching. Bacterial vaginosis is more common in black women, women who smoke, women who are sexually active compared with virginal women, and those who use vaginal douches.

Also-- Use of vaginal foreign bodies, perfumed soaps, Intrauterine device
New male sexual partner, Sex with another woman , No condom use Arrow trend toward association


There is abundant evidence that BV is associated with smoking.
http://www.sogc.org/guidelines/documents/gui211CPG0808.pdf

Sexually transmitted diseases treatment guidelines 2002. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. MMWR Recomm Rep 2002;51(RR-6):1–78.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 5:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks cpeedahsa for the correction.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well done - excellent questions and even better answers guys.

I remain confident that the HVS one is false but you have totally convinced about single dose metronidazole and smokers! I give myself 50% and if I am wrong about the HVS then only 25% Confused

Oh dear - anyway the most important thing is that I will now get 100% and I will remember this for ever which would not necessarily be true had I simply read a review article or guideline.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nick Raine-Fenning wrote:
Well done - excellent questions and even better answers guys.

I remain confident that the HVS one is false but you have totally convinced about single dose metronidazole and smokers! I give myself 50% and if I am wrong about the HVS then only 25% Confused

Oh dear - anyway the most important thing is that I will now get 100% and I will remember this for ever which would not necessarily be true had I simply read a review article or guideline.

N

Nick, I think you are right on the HVS question.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Asha - you and I need to stick together Razz
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